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a long history under wayne lapierre of hostility to law enforcements. former president george h.w. bush, a lifelong nra member resigned when wayne lapierre referred to the federal agents investigating that awful crime that killed 178 americans as jack footed thugs. >> michael: and they get so upset when the president or frankly anyone who is arguing for gun control appears with any police officers or anybody with law enforcement. they get so bent out of shape about that. it's so frustrating when i see that. david, you compare it to what would have happened, as you just said, if the suspects had poisoned food, for example, or shot people, how much easier would it have been to find them this it been a poisoning? it took a number of days to figure out to trace these things. given logistics and radio tagging and other things we could do a much better job tracing many things but in particular i don't see any argument that we should not be able to trace guns. although the nar fights that furiously, or explosive materials. >> michael: explain to me, then, why they would be motivated to keep fr
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